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How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

09.06.2025 01:04

How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

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Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

CONCLUSION:

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

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I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

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Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

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ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

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Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

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ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

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We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

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ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

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We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

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I am like a fish out of water,

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Now here in this verse

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

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He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

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As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Sain (a barber)

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Kabir (a weaver)

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

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But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

then who is there to know what happens without?

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

NOW…

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||